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Dream: What if there was a recommendation feature based on the generated outputs?

ややまびこ | yamabico
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For someone like me who rarely includes things like "title," "character name," or "artist name" in my prompts, I often don't know whose real-life work the generated result is rooted in or which specific works it resembles.
(Maybe I could find out by using image search, or perhaps by asking the AI itself?)
Well, since I'm having the AI generate it, it must be a style I like. If I could identify the source, it might serve as an opportunity to give back to the actual artists or works.
As an amateur, I also wondered if integrating something like that into a website could lead to affiliate income or something similar (´∀｀). I don’t really know, and there would probably be many hurdles, though.

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ねむ·

I don't usually include character or artist names in my prompts either, so I really related to that way of thinking!
So, when I tried running an image I made on this site through a Google Lens image search, not only did multiple images come up, but AI illustrations were also mixed in.
Because of that, I thought that if someone were to build a system to search for original artists or works, a feature to filter out AI illustrations might be necessary! Just an amateur's opinion, though... 😌

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やまびこ | yamabicoOP·

Right! That's true.
If it became standard to force digital watermarks onto AI-generated images, we'd be able to tell them apart, but it would probably just turn into a game of cat-and-mouse with people trying to bypass it. Plus, what about cases where it's only partially used? Hmm.

Or maybe, for now, restrict it to artists who were active before the rise of AI? Limit it to people who can definitely be guaranteed not to be using AI? Maybe that could work, but if we do that, it would become incredibly difficult to verify modern hand-drawn artists, and they would likely end up excluded—which feels a bit counterproductive. 🤔 It's tough.

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"The idea of wanting to know the human artists who breathe soul into the models, sparked by AI, is really wonderful! I also got interested in drawing because of AI and spent some time studying how to draw for a while.

However, at this stage, I feel that if the site tries to link AI-generated works with artists in some way, it would probably spark quite a bit of controversy. Since many artists are opposed to the model training itself in the first place, if the platform were to go so far as to label it as "this is in the style of [Artist]," it might be doubly disrespectful. Therefore, I have no plans to add this kind of feature for now.

Regarding affiliates, I know that models marketing themselves as "completely copyright-safe" actually employ that kind of system. They sign contracts with artists and distribute earnings based on their contribution level within the model. However, for a small-scale site like ours, we currently don't have the capacity to go that far...

If you are interested, I highly recommend trying to trace art styles through the artist tags on Danbooru. If you find a tag you're interested in, you should be able to trace it back to the actual artist from that tag name.

The creator of the Illustrious model once said something like this. In contrast to earlier models that tried to anonymize artist names by hashing them, he said, "It's actually better to keep the model in a state where it can recognize the original artist's name. Allowing people to trace the roots of a style is what ultimately leads to showing respect to the artists."

So, if your goal is to "find the human roots behind an art style," you don't need to feel guilty at all about using artist tags.

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SNoW·

I found someone making a similar attempt: it reverse-estimates potential Danbooru artist tags from an image, so you might want to give it a try if you'd like. Clicking on the generated tags takes you directly to the corresponding Danbooru artist's page, where their social media is also listed:

https://huggingface.co/spaces/DraconicDragon/Kaloscope-artist-style-classifier

You might not be very familiar with this site, but it is actually like a bustling department store basement for the AI model community, so you can use it with peace of mind.

I tried it myself, and it didn't seem to lean too heavily toward any specific artist. Still, I think it's a pretty good way to discover new artists :)

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やまびこ | yamabicoOP·

Thank you so much for such an incredibly detailed reply!

If the site tries to link AI-generated works with artists in some way, I feel like it would probably spark a lot of debate.

I see. It's not hard to imagine that kind of backlash.
But even if they push the idea that the goal is to give back to "original creators" or to try to build a sustainable system for the future... I guess the resistance from those who want to reject it outright would still be incredibly strong...
In any case, although it can't be helped because we're in the early stages, it does feel like things are moving forward with the system between AI generation and original creators left ambiguous just to secure first-mover advantages (just my personal feeling, though).

I know that models marketed as completely copyright-safe actually adopt that kind of system.

That is an amazing system! If there's a model with a system like that, I'd definitely want to prioritize using it. Though it seems like managing the costs might become a lot harder (;´∀｀)

Rather, it is better to maintain a state where the model can recognize the original artist's name. Being able to trace the roots of a style is what ultimately leads to showing respect to the artist.

I completely agree with this! I feel we should make sure we don't become indifferent to the underlying structure. Almost like "food education" (learning where food comes from).

Kaloscope Artist Style Classification

Whoa! This is exactly the kind of thing I was imagining! This is great, I'll try it out. Thank you.
I wish things like this were easier to use. Danbooru is excellent as a database, but I wonder if its chaotic nature is the problem here 🤔
It really gives you a lot to think about.

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@やまびこ | yamabico

For both the characters and the work to be completely forgotten is the saddest thing, isn't it?

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やまびこ | yamabicoOP·
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If it hasn't been forgotten, I suppose you could say it's still "alive" as a work.
But whether you think of that strictly in terms of the created work or character itself,
or if you also accept it living on like a gene within other works influenced by it...
I imagine opinions on that would vary from person to person.

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Madara·

is it good or not
image

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Otakosan·

Please stop needlessly bumping old threads with off-topic posts. If you want people to see your work, please post it in the gallery.

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